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Major Nelson Responds To Halo 3 Video

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So, amidst all the hub bub over the homophobic Halo 3 video, a voice of reason has come to share some insight. Xbox Community leader Major Nelson emailed me with his take on the whole situation. Whatever side of the argument you fall on, I think we all agree that some of the things said in this video were completely uncalled for and Major Nelson has a few things to say concerning how to protect yourself from this kind of a situation.

I just watched (listened) to the video you posted on your site. Needless to say, it was disappointing to see how some Xbox LIVE members behave. As you know, that is not the type of behavior we support. With over 8-million members, it's unfortunate that some members decide to act like this. I want to point out a few things that ALL Xbox Live members can do to ensure a enjoyable experience:

1) Play online only with friends.

2) Turn off voice from non-friends. This is a system level setting that work across all games, and as you can imagine, will only allow you to hear what your friends will say. You can find details on how to set it up here http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/familysettings/live/xbox360/familysettings-communications.htm

I also want to let your readers know that if they EVER encounter behavior like that in any game, they should use the in dash feedback system to file a complaint:

3) File a complaint. Using the dashboard complaint system, file a communications complaint. We DO act on complaints, so I highly encourage people file complaints where appropriate. Details on how to file a complaint here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908640?sd=xbox

Also, I'd be happy to play with you and some of your readers sometime as well.

Thanks Major, we appreciate the support that you and your team have given. In my personal experience, Xbox LIVE has been a great way for me to game with friends I might not otherwise get to see or hang out with. Xbox has done a great job bringing the gaming community together despite the ignorance of certain players.

41 Comments

audioeric said:

Good feedback from Major.. He does have a bit of a cute and sexy voice.. I thought he might at least be partially gay, but after that shirt I'm sure he's not.. :)

http://www.reverserevere.com

TriXie said:

I told him that shirt was awful! He does have a nice voice; you should hear him sing Sinatra!

adempton said:

Nice feedback, glad we have the support. Also glad to hear the act on filed complaints.

adempton said:

Nice feedback, glad we have the support. Also glad to hear they act on filed complaints.

geekwoman said:

In my experience they haven't done very much about complaints. The verbal abuse is across the board, women and kids get attacked like this too.
http://www.womengamers.com/articles/xboxliveharassment.php

Wheez said:

It's always great to hear Major is listening. I actually have seen people banned for bad things. If you look around, you'll see they are doing things about it...it seems like they're doing more within the past year or so...which is great.

Love love LOVE the shirt too.

Trotsky said:

Major Nelson is always a beacon of sanity amongst the loud, aggravating crowd that Xbox Live can be. Of course, it doesn't hurt that you can see that shirt in a crowd.
(I kid, I kid.)

kflair said:

Am I the only one disheartened by the Major's response? The homophobes get to play online [and shoot off their mouths] with thousands and thousands of others who aren't their friends, but I'm supposed to 1) only play with people I know, 2) turn off non-friends' voice, or 3) suffer verbal harassment and file a complaint? How do #1 and #2 do anything but allow homophobic comments to continue unchecked, now with the added feature of my not hearing them?

My partner and I love our Xbox 360, but let's be honest, there's a whole lot more that Microsoft could be doing to promote online gaming environments that have a very low tolerance for hate speech. Are Major Nelson, TriXie, and countless other folks at Microsoft well-meaning, good-intentioned people who wish the homophobes, racists, and sexist pigs would grow up, or at least stop polluting Xbox Live? I have no doubt. So why doesn't Microsoft do more to educate gamers, monitor/moderate Xbox Live sessions, and punish those who perpetrate hate-speech and harassment? The simple answer is that it would cost time/money and alienate their core audience.

HuskyHog said:

Well although it seems like a general PR letter, I do think it's good that he responded

Still I do think there can be a better way of filtering it, like reporting the last X minutes of what somebody said, like what they do in WoW

bremerton said:

*swoons over the picture* :D

But seriously...cool on him, but really, it's just sorta the party line. They're not going to do anything, it's up to YOU...

Scazza said:

Hah, so much for all the people the other day screaming about how he should have been banned because of his name.

Shin Gallon said:

Too bad that setting only wants to work if you have a "child account" on your Xbox...

BlackRabbit said:

It seems an awful lot like placation to me as well. I understand the concept that in order for them to do anything, they need to know that something happened that they need to respond to, but in all seriousness XBox Live is well known for this type of behavior - that alone says this type of speech along with other groups being targeted, happens frequently. And frankly, that's bad for both XBox and Microsoft.

game-boi said:

@geekwoman: Interesting read. Thank you for sharing that.

I agree with kflair and BlackRabbit completely. This is placation and lets the offenders off the hook. I would love to ask Major Nelson that, if given the tags/names of the assholes from the gayboy video, what he thinks appropriate action would be for the *documented* unprovoked harassers. This clearly went above and beyond a "normal" level trash talk and into complete homophobia.

The solution of submitting reviews does so little to fix the problem. And when compared with the hateful intent of these racist and homophobic bigots, mocks the concept that XBL is a place for everyone to "jump in." The solutions that Major Nelson posted do nothing to punish or even deter users from using hate speech, but segregates those who have to endure it ("Play online only with friends").

Not only do I think his suggestions are unrealistic and ineffective (I submit MANY player reviews), but I think that they completely negate what makes Live something special when it's at its best.

BlackRabbit said:

I guess what I'm trying to say when I call "placation" is while I agree with Major Nelson, anyone of us who hears these types of comments really *ought* to be reporting them, Major Nelson can also not claim ignorance to this being a more wide-spread problem than what he says is "some." It comes off that he is surprised and frankly, that's spin, no two ways about it.

They need to downplay the problem - and while I'm not reactionary enough to think that 8 million people are homophobes spouting this kind of hate-speech and outright threats, a large vocal majority of XBox Live users would appear to be doing just that, making themselves heard. So in that respect, and as difficult as it may be, and as unnecessary as I think it *ought* to be, we too must make ourselves heard. We shouldn't have to stand for this, and we shouldn't *be* standing for it.

/endsoapbox.

Hydrog said:

SOLUTION: Don't play Halo 3, it's filled with shmuks.

MwC Top Knott said:

I agree with the comments above, Its a Shame that we are expected to play within our own safe havens to stay clear of Hate speech, be us Black, Gay, Foreign or just sick and tired of listening to the crap.
i understand that having someone listening to every conversation is unrealistic, but using the feedback system does work, i was also told by 1-800-4my-xbox that you can send a detailed description to H2cheats@halo2.com.

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Blaine said:

I found 90% of the comments in the video to be highly inappropriate (a few of the comments did seem to have a more friendly tone).

That said... Hate speech is speech, the adjective does not change the noun. Trying to limit what people say only works if you let them say nothing. That's what Nintendo does for their online.

For people who are truly disturbed, this is your opportunity to be pro-active and disable voice chat. I don't think this is a scenario where Microsoft has to be pro-active.

They can respond. They can assist... but they can't be expected to prevent. It's unrealistic for them to know that me calling someone "Sap-sucking Cannuck" is a term of endearment for a Canadian friend. However, if my Canadian friend reports me - then Microsoft will know it's unwelcome and can respond.

What is often times considered inappropriate speech is used endearingly or without hate. Black people do it, gay people do it, women do it.

Failure to respond and rectify a situation past is something Microsoft could be villified for - submitting complaints with no results.

Inability to stop such situations before they happen / as they happen is just unreasonable.

Darth Bane said:

Being a str8 guy with a family were quite shocked at the comments being made to xxxgayboyxxx. But I think some personal reponsiblity should be mentioned. Everyone knows that if you put something like that in your gammertag you will be the target. I mean mine is Wiccan Lover not that I am Wiccan but my Wife is. I do catch hell for that from some of the bible thumpers out there but most of the people who have a problem with others like this sitiuation are problaby gay anyway and cannot deal with their sexuality so they must take it out one someone else.

Lets just all have fun gay-ming (LOL) I mean gaming and have a blast. There is enough crap in this world to worry about than to act 3 yrs. old and call each other names like that. In-game trash talking is fun but not on this level. If your Gay, Str8, Bi, She-male, etc. etc. YOu can game with me anytime. I do not care I just want to have fun gaming.

Peace !

Wiccan Lover

GibGirl said:

Note that while Major linked to the family settings for child accounts regarding turning off voice, you can still do that for non-child accounts. Under Privacy Settings, you can turn off voice from non-friends.

And using community feedback to handle people saying inappropriate things on voice chat is really the only way to do it - monitoring all voice chat traffic is not practical.

So be generous in your use of feedback and complaints and you'll help clean things up. The more you let go, the more common it becomes.

Stevor said:

I have to say that the response was what one should expect. It's not LIVE that's the problem it's the people. I'm not gay but I'm a minority on LIVE as I'm over 50 and have heard enough hate filled crap in my life and need no more. I basically ONLY play with friends because the GP is filled with ignorant boastful dickheads I really have no use for. If I'm in a room and start hearing hateful talk I reprimand them and if it doesn't stop I leave. There's no way to change the world but one person at a time but doubtful it will be done over LIVE. But one must expect stupid reaction from idiots if you provoke them with your gamertag IMHO! Use some common sense (I certainly know it's uncommon) if you don't want to be attacked don't put a bullseye on your forehead!

TriXie said:

We absolutely DO want Xbox LIVE to be a fun place for everyone. And we definitely want the assholes to either change their behavior or leave. But we can't be everywhere at once, we're not big brother listening in on all your games. We ABSOLUTELY take action on people who violate the Code of Conduct... but we can't do anything if we don't know about it. I think filing complaints FEELS like it doesn't do anything because what you want to do is punch somebody in the face. But without those complaints we don't know who the assholes are unless they reveal themselves to us personally (like the ones who created the gamertags 'trixie360zminge' or 'trixieisaslut' or 'trixiesuxdixie')

We really are doing everything we can to make Xbox LIVE a good place to play for everybody. Part of it is improving the tools we use on the back end. Part of it is that as Xbox LIVE appeals to a broader section of society the frat boys will eventually be outnumbered and online social mores will change. And the other part of it is the community. If you want the jerks gone you gotta point them out to us by filing complaints and submitting feedback. It's not an empty gesture. It works IF you use it.

MAGPIE said:

I'd just like to add a comment here.

I got to this page from the N4G website. Not being gay myself means that I am not a user of this website (up until now of course :) ) but I simply had to comment on this story.

I saw the abhorant video and was disgusted. But believe it or not suffered from a gay bashing at the hands (voice) of some idiot in a game of Halo 3 myself. After accusing me of being gay myself (which I must say I do not consider valid as a slur on anyones character) and abusing other players the twat hurled further abuse at me when I suggested that if I was indeed gay what the problem might be with that fact.

After several minutes of insults he finally decided he couldn't play with an 'English Faggot' and promptly left only to send me further abuse in the form of a voice message. To which I responded as per Major Nelsons suggestion and reported him for abusive behaviour.

I simply wanted to put this down as a comment to illustrate that its not just homophobia but complete ignorance on the part of many live users. The level of abuse and idiocy on the part of some players is incomprehensable at times but seems to be something we all have to put up with.

The few spoiling it for the many.

I have no answer, I just needed to add my thoughts and to say I have no problem gaming with anyone as long as they are polite.

Gen. Appithy said:

@kflair

here's the deal you either allow free chat or you don't. there is no middle ground. monitoring every chat happening at every time is an impossibility. also you don't want to get in a situation where the company is deciding what is ok and what isn't then you start getting into very sticky situation. sadly the best solution is also the least effective. you have to let the community decide what is and isn't appropriate. that is the only way that freedom of speech works.

kflair said:

TriXie makes an interesting point, that if the Xbox Live audience widens enough, the online culture will hopefully become less obnoxious. But that doesn't mean Microsoft can't be doing more proactively in the meantime to help limit hate speech. Off the top of my head, here are two examples:


1) Microsoft could be making much higher-profile efforts to educate users about what's acceptable and what's not -- and what the consequences are for violating the Terms of Use in this regard. This could be incorporated into everything from the activation procedures for all Live accounts to "public service announcement" type ads at the Dashboard. (Heaven knows we've seen puh-lenty of ads for Game Fuel, Doritos, and other products when we fire up the 360 -- these could occasionally and quite easily be replaced with well-written, well-designed ads aimed at reducing hate speech on Xbox Live.)

2) Back in the day (and maybe still? I can't say), AOL used to have chat-room moderators who could be "paged" as needed. When some attention-seeking jerk entered a gay chat room and started spewing hate, a moderator could be called who'd show up in the room, witness the hate-spewing account holder live in action, and intervene in vivo. All of AOL's chat rooms didn't need to be monitored, but a real live person could be called on in the moment to reinforce and enforce the Terms of Use. Surely something similar could be built into Xbox Live. Would it be cheap and easy? Probably not. Would it be possible? I suspect so. And I suspect it would help significantly reduce the hate speech.


My point isn't really to debate the merits of either of these approaches, though, or to suggest these are the only possibilities. Nor am I in any way suggesting that individual members of the Xbox Live community don't have a role to play, including reporting harassment when it occurs. Instead, I come back to my original point: there is more -- quite a bit more -- that Microsoft could do to limit hate speech on Xbox Live, if only it had the institutional will to do so.

BlackRabbit said:

I'm surprised at the amount of dissent there seems to be over this issue within our own community. Many people seem to take the position that GayBoy(with X’s) brought torment upon himself simply by having a provocative name – and kudos to FruitBrute or Tiny, whoever likened this line of thought in the podcast to saying a Girl who dresses provocatively doesn’t “deserve” to be raped – and while that may seem like a game of semantics, to say “brought upon themselves” seems awfully similar to “deserved" in this case.

Another comment that is cropping up is “If [we] don’t report it, [they] don’t know about it and thus cannot do anything about it.” I understand this logic to a degree – my Job involves responding to Bias Incidents and Hate Crimes, and I work extensively with Law Enforcement on issues of reporting – so I’m very much about reporting incidents to the appropriate people, if for no other purpose than for statistics and raising awareness. The fact remains that Xbox Live has somewhat of a reputation, if even solely among its victims (Gays, African Americans, Women, Kids etc.) for being overrun with speech that is less-than-savory. I understand that Xbox Live employees cannot monitor every conversation just waiting for an infraction, but that also does not put the onus entirely on GayGamers as customers to make sure the online environment provided is a safe one. It needs to be a team effort, and Xbox Live and Microsoft need to start owning up to the fact that they have created an atmosphere that allows for this to happen, regardless of how many people do or do not report the behavior.

As has been said, we shouldn't have to shun or hide ourselves away from society to protect ourselves from this type of Speech. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a staunch supporter of the First Amendment, but let’s call a spade a spade. When someone comes out and says they would enjoy “Hanging” a “Fag”, a threat which while perhaps empty, could still border on criminal, the priority should be about handling the incident rather than focusing on whether we as Gay Gamers are choosing to report the behavior - it's been reported. It takes one of us reporting that to Xbox Live to get the ball rolling on dealing with the situation, and we as GayGamers *should* be reporting the behavior, first and foremost I believe that, but again, Xbox Live has a reputation for this type of speech. It speaks unfortunate volumes both for the state of Xbox Live, and then our country as a whole, when this becomes what is considered normal and appropriate – whether we and Xbox Live friends feel it is inappropriate or not.

Initiative needs to be taken, yes, and not just on our part. Report every violation you hear by all means. Still, Xbox live could, should and ought to be doing something a little more proactive.

Synapse said:

To many comments to read... I'm sure someone has already said it but Major Nelson just told this website's readers to, "stop using some of the best gaming functionality Xbox Live offers."

That sits funny with me. Nice to know he's in touch with the state of things though.

Pai said:

I just saw this video today -- I almost cried. This sort of hateful shit has been paraded around gaming communities as 'normal' for too long. It's embraced in the mainstream gaming websites, news blogs, etc as a 'nonissue', and as long as it is, we'll still have people treated horrifically like this. It makes me so angry!

Darth Bane said:

BlackRabbit said:

"I'm surprised at the amount of dissent there seems to be over this issue within our own community. Many people seem to take the position that GayBoy(with X’s) brought torment upon himself simply by having a provocative name – and kudos to FruitBrute or Tiny, whoever likened this line of thought in the podcast to saying a Girl who dresses provocatively doesn’t “deserve” to be raped – and while that may seem like a game of semantics, to say “brought upon themselves” seems awfully similar to “deserved" in this case."

--- Well, you making a comparison of words with what one wears makes no sense here. If you put "iluvoral" or "godlover777" etc. in your gammertag what do you think is going to happen ?? People are going to call you out. All I meant was use some common sense in your gammertags.

I agree with Trixie and M$..if you do not like what is being said...MUTE it. If they slander you (like in this case) REPORT it. If you report it M$ can do something about it. They cannot babysit everything.

If you add moderators to be paged if someone is being an ass, then costs go up for Live! and costs for the ppl "listening" etc. etc. Then ppl will bitch about how M$ listens to everybody.

Just do not pay attention to them.

Just my 2 cents.

Wiccan Lover

Sly said:

Feel bad for gay gamers, I had change my gamertag to "x WiCkEd Co x" this last month because I wanted "WiCkEd CO" but it was taken. I just added 2 Xs and thought nothing of it, until I got allot of, "so you like wicked cocks huh?".

I never even thought about it like that until I got on live with it, not just 1 person but this would happen in different rooms. I ended up changing it because I would get crap about it and I just wanted to play.

Iam not gay but one of my best friends is and I go clubbing with him to the gay bars, I have no problem with it nor do my 2 other brother. We are all straight but would go with my friend to the bars allot to hang out and drink. Never thought about it as OMG!! a gay bar.

So after a month of crap with that gamertag I seen how it goes on that end. My new tag is "WiCkEd Co 80" now. I changed it so I could play in peace and sometimes I play with my mic off so the audio comes threw the tv speakers and I don't need my 6 year old hearing that stuff.

"Am I the only one disheartened by the Major's response? The homophobes get to play online [and shoot off their mouths] with thousands and thousands of others who aren't their friends, but I'm supposed to 1) only play with people I know, 2) turn off non-friends' voice, or 3) suffer verbal harassment and file a complaint? How do #1 and #2 do anything but allow homophobic comments to continue unchecked, now with the added feature of my not hearing them?"

"XBox Live is well known for this type of behavior - that alone says this type of speech along with other groups being targeted, happens frequently. And frankly, that's bad for both XBox and Microsoft."

"I'm not reactionary enough to think that 8 million people are homophobes spouting this kind of hate-speech and outright threats, a large vocal majority of XBox Live users would appear to be doing just that, making themselves heard."

Xbox Live is a pretty awful place.I'd suggest leaving and finding somewhere else to play. I'm kind of reminded of what Aln Moore said when he left DC comics years ago. "If one day you realize that you are standing in shit, you don't jump up and down on the shit to punish it. You just walk away".

Craig said:

Hi,

Also just a family man linking in, in response to the clip, some people are absolute idiots. But this we know.

Blaming Microsoft or Halo is like blaming the traffic department for bad drivers. The Live cops can't be everywhere, and it's up to you as a participant to report the offences, and it's really really easy, I think it's two button presses and that's it! If you're wondering - 3 complaints will see a user banned for a month.

I'm not American, and have an accent so it does attract a degree of reprobate comments from morons (typically the same comments on the clip, something original or witting would be a welcome change). Mute them, complain about them, or better yet, teabag them ;)

RangerPrimeX said:

I would like to start off by saying I love playing my 360 and do like to listen to the Major Nelson podcast every week. i was however disappointed with the first part of his response and the advice of only play with friends or universally turning off non-friend chat. Sorry, I should not have too. I do agree with the second part of reporting the offending jerks to Microsoft and yes I do make use of the individual mute button in Halo 3 but for all kinds of offenders of the voice chat system such as those that just ramble on, constantly making irritating noises or holding conversations with people in their living room while they play.
I know Major was mainly informing us of the options but playing only with friends or turning off chat in general....not going happen and not acceptable. I really do hope Microsoft does something with the complaints submitted. Also, I hope GayBoy kicked them all over the map in Halo.

Viraj Dessin said:

Everyone seems to be talking about this, there's a thread over here going to, with a majority of ignorant posts:

http://www.pregamelobby.com/forum/xbox-360-xbox-discussions/9788-perfect-example-general-public.html

Marvin said:

Player Feedback works, just submit one and your done.

Now honestly come on, getting a name like that is asking for trouble. I know it shouldnt matter, but it does. Its like putting a sign on a guy in new york that says "Mug Me." Its asking for trouble.

Nevertheless, if you are getting annoyed in general for ANY reason, major nelson's options are 100% acceptable. Sorry RangerPrimeX, but the world doesnt revolve around only one person but everybody, and unfortunately, right now, xbox live admin's cant be everywhere in one place. Thats why those options are there. Thats why the feedback system is there too.

Conor said:

I'd say 95% of the people that use the service would rip it out of a guy with his gamertag "gay boy"

Leonson said:

I just came over here from Joystiq. I'm not gay, but I've always had an issue with this type of speech, and it's long been a reason why I don't use Xbox Live for multi-player.

When I used to play Counterstrike, the server I played on had a zero-tolerence policy for racial and homophobic remarks. Even the all too commonly accepted "that was gay" remark would result in at least a temporary ban from the server.

While Microsoft is not responsible for the behavior of the people playing the games, it is responsible for failing to protect and police it's servers. This has been going on so long, and with Halo especially, that Xbox live has developed a reputation for this type of speech.

Rather than recommending some bass-ackwards don't ask don't tell policy on Xbox Live (Play only with friends, turn off voice, stay in the closet), Microsoft needs to set an example that this is not tolerated and come down hard on those that continue to abuse their voice communication.

photobooth said:

I play Halo 3 every day and know how extremely offensive the language is on there. If someone is really offensive, I'll just start betraying them, win/loss ratio be damned. It's kind of fun to betray the bigots.

I've always said that if I ever had kids, they could play whatever games they wanted with whatever kind of violence-- they just wouldn't be able to play with headphones online. The stuff that people say is way worse than any kind of animated violence in a game.

What's worse is that I've definitely heard little kids spouting the same offensive language and they probably learned it online. Then again, those kids probably need better parenting than they're getting right now.

martymart said:

It would be good for gaygamer to forward to major nelson a copy of the video with the gamertags showing so xbox live can issue some bans. I know microsoft keep saying that they act on complaints but they won't give information on what action they take, how many people they have banned etc etc, i think xbox live gets worse and worse year by year, the comments on sexuality, race, religion and creed are most shocking and would not be tolerated in a modern society. Microsoft and XBL need to be more transparent in disclosing exactly what action they take and what their policy is, its not really in their interests to ban customers is it?

JerrytheElf said:

He harps on about kids being exposed to all sorts of vile language, yet fails to understand, that 90% of the time, it's the kids who are coming out with all the expletives.

I have heard far more racist, homophobic and generally foul language from under 18's than I have from older gamers.

Again it's down to the parent, think about what your child is upto, check what games they are playing and listen to what THEY are saying.

Xbox LIVE is not a virtual babysitting service.

xxDEFTERAxx said:

I guess I'm reading this differently than some. I don't read his response to the issue as "tough shit, if you don't like it, do this, this and this" I see it as him giving you options.

Expecting Micro$oft or Xbox to go above and beyond to prevent hate speech in gaming lobbies just seems unrealistic.

Could they do it? Yea. Should they do it? Yea. Will the *EVER* do it? Fuck no.

The last thing they are going to want to do is start banning accounts, *especially* over homosexual slander. If everyone that said "you're a fag" or "that's gay" etc. etc. was banned, they would literally lose *MILLIONS* of dollars, don't forget, first and foremost, Micro$oft's sole purpose is to make money.

So, in short, if you don't like hearing dumbasses on xboxLIVE, change your settings to allow it so you can only hear people you've friended on XBL, otherwise listen to them be stupid, report them and *hope* something gets done about it.

And girls who like girls who like rumble packs!

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