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Bayonetta Creator's Favorite Scene Is Kind Of Yikes

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In an interview with Playstation 3 Magazine, Platinum Games' Hideki Kamiya was asked to describe his favorite scene in the game. After a moment of demurring - claiming "all of them" - he settles on the pose battle between Bayonetta and a doppelganger named Joy. Good scene, guy. Fun, kind of hilarious, oops wait you're not done talking yet?

That was my way of expressing the feminine notion that, to one woman, all other women are enemies. Even women walking by each other will check out what the other is wearing, and might smoulder a bit with antagonism. Women are scary.
Yeeeeesh. I'll be right back, I need to take my facepalm to the tailor and ask him to let it out of couple of inches. I'm not going to argue that otherwise the game was some progressive feminist tract, but you can hide a lot behind camp. I mean, when I got to that part, I assumed it was an allusion to drag queens vogue-ing or something, and not some weird message about how ladies all secretly hate each other. To be fair, we don't have the entire context here (CVG sort of just clipped this out of a larger interview), and we don't know if he was kidding or not; the "Women are scary" bit at the end makes me think this might be at least a little tongue in cheek. Maybe he meant this was just a specific trait of Bayonetta's, as she hasn't had too much luck with her female friends? Still, no matter how you play around with the language, it sounds pretty bad. He should have just given Bayonetta a penis, had him tuck it away, and pretty much all complaints would vanish.

To check out the scene in question, watch the video after the break.

X-Rated Bayonetta scene is creator's favorite [CVG]
[via: Destructoid]




15 Comments

Klarth said:

wow.
what he said was questionable enough, but the actual scene was ... *shakes head*

I have to admit though that I LOLed at the pose battle part.

g_whiz said:

Ha. I just bought this game pre-owned at Gamestop (partially insipried by your write up earlier) and saw this scene earlier today for the first time in game. The first time I wasn't really struck by it as anything out of the ordinary. The second time, it seemed somehow more prolonged and somehow more mean spirited than the other torture scenes. Perhaps because the various angels Bayonetta tortures don't seem particularly human, but these characters do somewhat more. Still though, love the game...could have done without the commentary about "women being vindictive" though, as it plays into all the patriarchal bullshit that perpetuates the problem.

Lucrece said:

It's not as if women are the only ones. Men are freaking socialize to see each other as potential threats, and to establish boundaries-- even take pleasure in the failure of other men.

Men are generally nicer/more willing to help toward women than other men.

So to claim that women are the one gender that has irrational antagonism among its members seems pretty stupid to me, given how little boys are fucking given toy guns and a large part of male culture is sports-- an embodiment of male v. male antagonism.

BrookeTF said:

This man seriously needs to stop seeing genders as black and white, and actually make some female friends. He assumes he understands "female psychology" when he really has absolutely no clue. Unfortunately he's FAR from the only one.

Ophenix said:

This was my absolute faiv scene in the game. This wasn't just tongue-in-cheek humour, it was Bayonetta crossing the very fine line between parody, satire and full blown porn.

I love this game... And I don't think he meant is seriously, I think he was joking about the whole thing.

Why would he mention male behaviour when the subject matter is about women?
I have worked in clubs for years and seen both men and women alike do (almost) that exact "dance" that Bayonetta and Joy perform in the video.

Don't be so quick to jump on the feminist bandwagon #not to imply feminism is a bandwagon# and just take it as slices of observation of human behaviours. Remember it could be entirely a Japanese culture thing that women are very vindictive towards each other when they are of a similar status.

Atma said:

Honestly, as a woman, I got to agree with this somewhat, and just laugh it off. We can be pretty fucking frightening to each other for a myriad of reasons. It's something very unique that I mostly see in our gender where you simultaneously adore another lady for some aspect and hate her to death for it. Basically "That bitch has all the moves, I've been upstaged, how dare she, but damn, she's good, I ought to ask her for some lessons." I am entirely unoffended, and I can be quite cranky feminist when I want to be.

And that was one of my favorite scenes too. For the absurd and the outright porny factors. The entire game was one amazing bit after another, and I thank the guy for it. I want more female characters and just games like this in general. Sometimes it's good to just switch your brain off and kill shit spectacularly. Sure, Bayonetta may be straight guy fetish fuel, and sure I may like to look at her too, but she also commands a hell of a lot of respect and wit, which is more than I can say for many, many other female characters in games nowadays.

cerberus635 said:

Sexism in Japan? No way... [/sarcasm]

It's fairly well known about Japan's culture that the sexes are not yet seen as equal. In law they are, but culturally they still have a lot of sexual harassment/assault problems, as well as woman just being portrayed as inferior in japanese media. Just look at most anime.

Not saying this is a good thing, I'm just saying I'm not surprised.

They get points for having a female lead character that also kicks ass, but was the over sexualisation of it really necessary?

Nexus said:

Question: Was this game promoted as some kind of feminist statement or is that just what the Western audiance has chosen to make of it.
Because as much as I love Japan, I don't see their videogame industry as going to be a herald of femisnism any time soon.
Nor do I personally see it. She's a strong female character. So what? So was Lara Croft and Bayonetta is possibly even more sexualised than Lara was.

its a game not a political statement. I think this was a pointless article. And how Bayonetta can kick ass I doubt she's seen as inferior. In fact the guy in the game is seen as a tad pathetic. So maybe I should be offended about how a man is potrayed??? nah, that would just be silly!

Arzachel said:

Well, I don't disagree, but can't agree either. Since I'm mostly hanging out with guys, when I DO go out with girls and their friends... I gotta say, the boys don't even know this universe. These girls talk, gossip, burn, wish for their deaths and telepathically KILL their friends. It's something unimaginable. I talk to my guy bitches (the guys) about this abnormality and they just say meh. When I'm with the guys I feel "safe", dunno why 'cause they tease and make fun of the slightest thing, they mock my video game genre preference, my sexual preference *le sigh*, my UNDERWEAR preference... and are annoying. And whine too much, and- NEVERTHELESS, I feel comfy around them. Well, I'll just say this: some girls hate each other to the point of disbelief. I don't really hate anyone of my female friends, nor my male friends.
I do have to agree on the women-are-scary bit. Not all of us, but hey, I gotta admit it, the girl world is REALLY complicated. Personally, the guys are mostly more simple. That's just my opinion.

I think the problem is that we look at equality as if our behavioural traits should be the same when we don't celebrate the differences between men and women. And part of that celebration we accept that men can be macho ass holes and that women can be bitches (and vice versa# as well as many other good and bad traits that either gender #as well as all those inbetween) have.

Rosa said:

As another lady, I agree with Atma completely.

Yeah, this is painted pretty broad stroke, but I like to ASSUME it was a tiny bit tongue in cheek, and this really is something that is at least half true half the time no matter how you look at it.

Andy said:

There's not really enough information behind this quote to adequately judge what he meant, and if he is tongue and cheek or not.

Also, while it isn't true about all girls/women, I've seen the behavior he described happen enough that it feels like that stereotype is based somewhat in truth. That's why it's a stereotype.

Charlie said:

Mmmmm I think he's not far off the mark when it comes to female competition. It has been brought up to me many, many times (by women) that ladies are ruthless and competitive with each other in the workplace (in ways that men are not with other men). My sister the 3rd grade teacher also confirmed that yes the "Mean Girl" complex is very real.

I loved Bayonetta and it contains some of the most interesting character interaction I have ever seen in a video game. It also features several powerful female characters (though they are probably too exploitative to ever be considered feminist icons) who are a lot of fun on the screen. As you can see from the opening of this video Bayonetta has a maternal side as well - she's rather complex.

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